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  Looking for examples of Witnesses physically harmed during field service

  by Indian Larry in

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  i am looking for any examples, preferably with independent news sources of any witnesses that have ever been:.

  mugged.

  raped.

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  Mad Irishman

  I don't think it is the stance of Witnesses that God protects you, even from death, murder, or crime while you are out in the ministry and that you can go anywhere without consequence.

  There was a case in Mexico where 4 Witnesses were murdered when they called on the house of a drug lord. Also, Al-Qaeda in the Philippines beheaded several witnesses and sent their severed heads to the local Kingdom Hall as a warning to stay away from their part of the island. These were the same zealots that had several Americans and Europeans kidnapped for several years and the finally the U.S. sent in Navy Seals to rescue them. Hopefully, they killed all those monsters.
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  Is there a Child Molester on the Governing Body?

  by TTATTelder in

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  2. scandals

  great report by abc on the abuses in jw-dot-org land.... i hope it opens a "floodgate" of future news reports and exposes.

  if you ask yourself, "why hasn't the watchtower leadership changed their policy on the 2 witness rule?

  if one or more persons on the gb has victims out there that can't come forward because of the 2 witness rule, then that would explain the permanent road block to policy change that is obviously in place.

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  If you put your emotions aside you can see from a legal standpoint what a Pandora's box releasing files about every molestation case that has ever happened in a religion would be. It would open up the religion to even more lawsuits by those who were named--whether the accusation were true or not. Also, in the Conti case her lawyer was on a fishing expedition asking for that list. It wasn't really relative to her case from a legal standpoint. What was relative was what did her local elders do or not do. This wasn't a class action lawsuit.

  Taking the emotion out of it no legal council would tell a company / religion / corporation to release a list of every judicial committee they've ever had in their history. That would cause chaos in that realm and you could never have judicial committees after that at all. So that isn't so unbelievable.

  I think what often gets missed in all of these cases is the tragedy they all are. A person's life was ruined. What really isn't happening is that the perpetrator isn't really paying the cost they should. This is really a legal problem, because just like the two-witness rule the standard of proof in a court of law is very high and you usually need two people who were abused to get a conviction. This happens a lot in rape cases as well when a rape kit isn't taken right away. It's he said against she said and a lot of times the guilty person goes scot free.

  All too often people comment on these issues with a bias eye--which is their right to do. But you have to look at things from all angles to come to a relative, well-balanced truth of things.
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  Disfellowshipped for Tattoos??

  by Lynnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are getting tattoos a disfellowshipping offense?

  i know several jw's that have them but i always thought they were totally taboo.

  what do you guys know about this?

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  Mad Irishman

  I know of an old man who became a witness and then proceeded to get the tetragrammaton (YHWH) tattooed on his forearm. The elders told him he should not get tattoos. He said, opps. After that everyone simply thought it was a funny story, which it was.

  Also, you can't get DF'd for getting a tattoo or beard. It's funny how these kind of beliefs get put into the collective and everyone thinks they are true.
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  Is disfellowshipping as popular as it was years ago?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i seldom hear of people getting df'd anymore.

  years ago it seemed there were a few per year in a congregation.

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  Mad Irishman

  I don't agree that it's the kids who are getting in trouble. I see mostly adults who get in trouble. 99 percent of the time it's sex, but that's human nature. Kids just drop out if they aren't invested in it. They leave first and then do what they want after that.
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  "Why I don't like people coming to my door, selling religion"

  by Captain Schmideo2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is from a blog, "news from me" that i read fairly regularly.

  mark evanier is, among other things, a comic book writer (co-writer for "groo-the wanderer), a television writer, a great raconteur, and was a close person friend of jack kirby, one of the world's greatest comic book artists.he got an email from a jw trying to explain why they come to his door.evanier's answer is well thought out, and should explain to even the densest j-dub why people really don't like being bothered.

  maybe his correspondent will take it to heart, but probably not.

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  Mad Irishman

  Let's be honest. Who likes someone coming to their door? I recently had an Retirement Portfolio Specialist come to my door, because he opened a new office in my town. I could not get rid of him. And he looked up my number in the phone book and keeps calling now.

  I also had these teenage kids come to my door and they explained that they were selling books via this company and the proceeds helped them get out of the inner-city and help get them a scholarship to go to college. So I bought one of their books to help out. As soon as I was done I googled the company and found out the whole thing is a scam and the poor inner city kids are getting scammed too and they work for nothing and in the end they never get a scholarship. It was really, really sad.

  So unless you have cake or cookies please don't knock. As long as you bring cake or cookies, even if you're trying to scam me, I'll listen.

  By the way if anyone from Microsoft tries to call you and says your laptop is sending out errors or is infected that is a laughable scam. They are from India and it's not real and they're going to try and sell you virus software you don't need. It's not real. Microsoft will never call you. And neither will the IRS!
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  Do you know any books written by Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by paradisebeauty in

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  2. friends

  i found once a list on the internet on novels about the new world written by jehovah's witnesses.

  don't seam to find it anymore.

  does any of you happen to know any novels about the new world?

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  Mad Irishman

  Oh, and crime novelist Mickey Spillane was a famous Jehovah's Witness. I remember seeing him talk about it on 60 Minutes several years ago. No "New World" stuff in here though. Just pulp fiction.

  Mickey Spillane on Amazon:

  http://www.amazon.com/Mickey-Spillane/e/B000APA186
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  Do you know any books written by Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i found once a list on the internet on novels about the new world written by jehovah's witnesses.

  don't seam to find it anymore.

  does any of you happen to know any novels about the new world?

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  Mad Irishman

  I copied this from Amazon. Jean-Paul Ferro

  http://www.amazon.com/Essendo-Morti-Being-J%C3%A9anpaul-Ferro/dp/B002KF7BNC

  http://www.amazon.com/Jazz-J%C3%A9anpaul-Ferro/dp/0956665861

  A friend gave me one of his books of poetry. Not bad. Very dark. He is a Witness. I googled him and found some short stories too:

  http://thedanforthreview.blogspot.com/2014/10/fiction-55-jeanpaul-ferro.html

  http://www.greenbriarreview.com/Jeanpaul-Ferro--Heart-As-Big-As-The-Door--.html

  http://www.vol1brooklyn.com/2011/02/13/sunday-stories-the-dead-river/
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  KH 1st timer, could use some advice

  by rathernotsay in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey people, .

  i am soon going into a kh for the first time and i could use some advice around etiquette etc.

  i know next to nothing besides the fundamental beliefs of jws, i personally dont believe in any religion, and that stance isnt ever going to change, however i don't want to come across as rude or disrespectful.

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  Mad Irishman

  If you go wear a tie and a neat sports jacket. There's not too much to fear aside from people being nice to you or someone who might be a little too talkative. If you're lucky you'll hear a good talk. Worse case scenario is you'll be bored.
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  A letter To My Friend

  by Garrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey guys,.

  so i've written up a letter to my friend that i plan on sending him to try to wake him up.

  he's a very sensible man who i care deeply for.

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  Mad Irishman

  Just my opinion here: Do you want your friend to tell you what to do? Judge your actions and decisions? Deride you if you leave the witnesses? If not then I suggest you don't try and change him/her either. That's what a real friend would do. No judgment either way. And I've heard of many people being given letters--going both ways; pro-JW and anti-JW--and I've never seen a letter have any effect aside from damaged friendships and hurt feelings.
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  'If you go to my church this Sunday I will go to yours next Sunday'

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how many witnesses would take up that offer if a person at the door asked them?

  if that doesn't scream out "cult"!

  if you know too much about the witnesses then you are an apostate.

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  Mad Irishman

  I said that to a girlfriend of mine who became Born Again. She refused to go to the Kingdom Hall and married a Born Again she met after knowing him for 3 months, so this is human nature and not a JW thing.